Comments on: The end of Enns to the acme of Aquinas http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/ a few graffiti on the wall of life Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:14:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Enns, bloggers, and explosions « Random Bloggings http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3607 Enns, bloggers, and explosions « Random Bloggings Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:56:05 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3607 [...] in the blogosphere over the issue of Peter Enns’ suspension (I’m sorry, I ran out of adjectives or other ways to lengthen my already over long [...] [...] in the blogosphere over the issue of Peter Enns’ suspension (I’m sorry, I ran out of adjectives or other ways to lengthen my already over long [...]

]]> By: Peter Enns Round-Up « Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3598 Peter Enns Round-Up « Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:49:28 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3598 [...] Chaplin offers his opinion of the event in a round-up of his own saying: “Those who have ousted him believe we should [...] [...] Chaplin offers his opinion of the event in a round-up of his own saying: “Those who have ousted him believe we should [...]

]]> By: MetaCatholic » John’s Gospel: mainly what Jesus didn’t say http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3588 MetaCatholic » John’s Gospel: mainly what Jesus didn’t say Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:40:54 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3588 [...] want to pull a quick thread out of the comments on yesterday’s round-up. (You can skip below the quotes if you’re in a hurry.) In the course of the post I said: [...] [...] want to pull a quick thread out of the comments on yesterday’s round-up. (You can skip below the quotes if you’re in a hurry.) In the course of the post I said: [...]

]]> By: doug http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3587 doug Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:41:37 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3587 Michele, I'm going to respond to that in a separate post. Michele, I’m going to respond to that in a separate post.

]]> By: Michele http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3586 Michele Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:58:39 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3586 "His work was not particularly original" He didn't intend for it to be original as the first line of his preface makes clear: "The aim of this book is not novelty but synthesis." "Now, I am not an expert in Evangelical theology, but it seemed to me that it was not written with a clear audience in mind" Enns told those us (I had him for OTI right before the book was published) that the book was intended for college students to introduce them to the issues so they wouldn't be thrown by them (which is his purpose in lecturing on these issues at Westminster). "Justin, I think those verses are part of the evangelist’s creative meditation on the significance of Jesus." How can you be sure? What is your proof? Are you denying that the interaction with the Jews took place? Or just the words that John attributed to Jesus. “His work was not particularly original”

He didn’t intend for it to be original as the first line of his preface makes clear: “The aim of this book is not novelty but synthesis.”

“Now, I am not an expert in Evangelical theology, but it seemed to me that it was not written with a clear audience in mind”

Enns told those us (I had him for OTI right before the book was published) that the book was intended for college students to introduce them to the issues so they wouldn’t be thrown by them (which is his purpose in lecturing on these issues at Westminster).

“Justin, I think those verses are part of the evangelist’s creative meditation on the significance of Jesus.” How can you be sure? What is your proof? Are you denying that the interaction with the Jews took place? Or just the words that John attributed to Jesus.

]]> By: doug http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3584 doug Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:26:50 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3584 Justin, I think those verses are part of the evangelist's creative meditation on the significance of Jesus. Justin, I think those verses are part of the evangelist’s creative meditation on the significance of Jesus.

]]> By: Alan Lenzi http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3583 Alan Lenzi Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:09:35 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3583 Iyov, whoever you are, with all do respect I think you speak without knowledge in this matter. Enns' earliest work in HSM series and Biblica was solid. There's every reason to believe he could have been successful at a university had he continued on that path. But he went the div school route and his writing went that direction accordingly. That is, div schools, esp. conservative ones, like to see a different kind of writing than your typical university: practical, church-oriented, theological, etc. The fact that Enns' book has caused such a controversy proves he touched a nerve among the crowd he was trying to address or at least ended up addressing. So, fictional tenure committees aside, Enns, an untenured prof., stuck his neck out and said what he thought needed to be said come what may. You gotta respect that, even if, like me, you disagree with his ideas. I don't think he's got much to worry about, though. If WTS is stupid enough to let him go, another evangelical seminary will pick him up. Iyov, whoever you are, with all do respect I think you speak without knowledge in this matter. Enns’ earliest work in HSM series and Biblica was solid. There’s every reason to believe he could have been successful at a university had he continued on that path. But he went the div school route and his writing went that direction accordingly. That is, div schools, esp. conservative ones, like to see a different kind of writing than your typical university: practical, church-oriented, theological, etc. The fact that Enns’ book has caused such a controversy proves he touched a nerve among the crowd he was trying to address or at least ended up addressing. So, fictional tenure committees aside, Enns, an untenured prof., stuck his neck out and said what he thought needed to be said come what may. You gotta respect that, even if, like me, you disagree with his ideas.

I don’t think he’s got much to worry about, though. If WTS is stupid enough to let him go, another evangelical seminary will pick him up.

]]> By: Justin Anthony Knapp http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3581 Justin Anthony Knapp Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:45:48 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3581 Doug, You do not believe the historical Jesus claimed divinity? What do you make of John 10:30 or 8:58? -JAK Doug,

You do not believe the historical Jesus claimed divinity? What do you make of John 10:30 or 8:58?

-JAK

]]> By: Iyov http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3579 Iyov Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:29:57 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3579 I read Enns's book; and I must say that I was disappointed with it. His work was not particularly original -- perhaps the only original aspect of it was that it was (purportedly) addressed to an Evangelical audience. Now, I am not an expert in Evangelical theology, but it seemed to me that it was not written with a clear audience in mind: it does not actually speak in the language of Evangelical Biblical exegesis; neither does it speak in the language of secular Biblical studies. I do support academic freedom (and feel uncomfortable with the idea of an institution of higher learning that has a theological litmus test) so I am dismayed (but not surprised) by Enns's dismissal. However, if his work were presented at a secular institution, I do not think it would impress a tenure committee. I do not know Enns's whole CV, but based on the <a href="http://peterennsonline.com/articles-and-essays/" rel="nofollow">articles on his website</a>, it seems to me that Enns is in a difficult position, being neither in the circle of conservative Biblical studies nor meeting the standards of secular studies. I find myself wondering if Westminster may have made the correct decision for the wrong reason. I read Enns’s book; and I must say that I was disappointed with it. His work was not particularly original — perhaps the only original aspect of it was that it was (purportedly) addressed to an Evangelical audience. Now, I am not an expert in Evangelical theology, but it seemed to me that it was not written with a clear audience in mind: it does not actually speak in the language of Evangelical Biblical exegesis; neither does it speak in the language of secular Biblical studies.

I do support academic freedom (and feel uncomfortable with the idea of an institution of higher learning that has a theological litmus test) so I am dismayed (but not surprised) by Enns’s dismissal. However, if his work were presented at a secular institution, I do not think it would impress a tenure committee.

I do not know Enns’s whole CV, but based on the articles on his website, it seems to me that Enns is in a difficult position, being neither in the circle of conservative Biblical studies nor meeting the standards of secular studies. I find myself wondering if Westminster may have made the correct decision for the wrong reason.

]]> By: Drew http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3578 Drew Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:45:36 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/03/the-end-of-enns-to-the-acme-of-aquinas/#comment-3578 As I posted earlier, the Enns issue is truly a blast to open inquiry and academic freedom in US academia no matter how you conceive it. As I posted earlier, the Enns issue is truly a blast to open inquiry and academic freedom in US academia no matter how you conceive it.

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