Comments on: I believe http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/ a few graffiti on the wall of life Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:55:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Derek the Ænglican http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4768 Derek the Ænglican Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:23:31 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4768 I worked in landscaping for several years. The only true difference between a weed and a flower is location... I worked in landscaping for several years. The only true difference between a weed and a flower is location…

]]> By: doug http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4764 doug Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:15:41 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4764 In my experience, Eddie, it's very often a weed In my experience, Eddie, it’s very often a weed

]]> By: Eddie http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4763 Eddie Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:12:28 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4763 I believe that for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows... I believe that for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows…

]]> By: MetaCatholic » Help! Have I been sleep-blogging? http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4756 MetaCatholic » Help! Have I been sleep-blogging? Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:33:01 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4756 [...] 8:32 am This is well weird. I turned on the blogging machine this morning to find 5 good comments on this post. I have a vague recollection of writing this some months ago, but none at all of doing it last [...] [...] 8:32 am This is well weird. I turned on the blogging machine this morning to find 5 good comments on this post. I have a vague recollection of writing this some months ago, but none at all of doing it last [...]

]]> By: Bill http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4755 Bill Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:20:18 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4755 As far as we can tell, no NT church ever started out with elders (or 'overseers') right from its very beginning. So First Century 'episcopacy' seems to depend on selecting men who have grown up into Christ alongside the rest of the congregation. Of course, sophisticated organizational structure prefers shipping in new managers from elsewhere as opposed to 'promotion from within'. These probably aren't the issues that most bother you at the moment, brother Doug... but there's food for thought from a former Episcopalian. :) As far as we can tell, no NT church ever started out with elders (or ‘overseers’) right from its very beginning. So First Century ‘episcopacy’ seems to depend on selecting men who have grown up into Christ alongside the rest of the congregation. Of course, sophisticated organizational structure prefers shipping in new managers from elsewhere as opposed to ‘promotion from within’. These probably aren’t the issues that most bother you at the moment, brother Doug… but there’s food for thought from a former Episcopalian. :)

]]> By: Mark B. http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4752 Mark B. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:15:09 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4752 PaulW, you describe the classic Anglican understanding, that bishops are senior presbyters, not a different order of ministry. Anglicanism is of course derived from Western Catholicism, which is primarily legalistic in its thinking (the heritage of Tertullian, I think), including its view of bishops. How much and in what ways would its self-understanding be changed if it worked in the more charismatic, pneumatic view of Orthodoxy? or the evangelistic view of bishops in Nigeria? PaulW, you describe the classic Anglican understanding, that bishops are senior presbyters, not a different order of ministry. Anglicanism is of course derived from Western Catholicism, which is primarily legalistic in its thinking (the heritage of Tertullian, I think), including its view of bishops. How much and in what ways would its self-understanding be changed if it worked in the more charismatic, pneumatic view of Orthodoxy? or the evangelistic view of bishops in Nigeria?

]]> By: Derek the Ænglican http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4751 Derek the Ænglican Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:44:51 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4751 The difference between Lutherans and Anglicans: Lutherans believe that bishops are desirable but not necessary. Anglicans believe they are necessary but not desirable. The difference between Lutherans and Anglicans: Lutherans believe that bishops are desirable but not necessary. Anglicans believe they are necessary but not desirable.

]]> By: PaulW http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4750 PaulW Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:40:20 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4750 I believe in personal and corporate episkopé. I could swallow episcopacy if the polity it represented was not the exercise of prelacy, but that of bishop in presbytery. Not sure it'll happen, so I'm not sure about bishops. I believe in personal and corporate episkopé. I could swallow episcopacy if the polity it represented was not the exercise of prelacy, but that of bishop in presbytery.

Not sure it’ll happen, so I’m not sure about bishops.

]]> By: Justin Anthony Knapp http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4749 Justin Anthony Knapp Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:32:23 +0000 http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2008/07/i-believe/#comment-4749 "The problem with Christianity is not that it has been tried & found wanting but that it has not been tried" -G. K. Chesterton “The problem with Christianity is not that it has been tried & found wanting but that it has not been tried”
-G. K. Chesterton

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